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In previous entries, I’ve mentioned a trans woman I’ve been friends with since mid-April, and for purposes of anonymity in this blog, I’ve named her “Randi Sue.” (Some years ago, it was my own username on a website because a character I created in my stories many, many years ago was named Randy.) Randi Sue had her MTF reassignment surgery one year ago yesterday and I asked her if she wanted to go out to dinner with me and celebrate the occasion. She selected the Conga Latin Bistro not far from our University of Minnesota student neighborhood known as Dinkytown, and we met there at 7:00.
I’m keeping this relationship platonic on my end. When she suggested a few days earlier that I drive to her house — about a 25 minute drive from my house — and then we would go together to the restaurant, another half-hour drive from her house, I hesitated to approve that plan. I hashed over the pros and cons of that with my husband and I said that taking separate cars would be a good way to keep sexual advances at bay. He agreed that it would circumvent the offer of “would you like to come in for a glass of wine or a cup of coffee?” and help to prevent any situations from getting started. That is, he went on, unless I wanted such a thing to happen.
No, I didn’t, so I explained to Randi Sue that I hadn’t been getting home from work until 5:30 every evening. To make a 7:00 dinner reservation, I’d have to leave my house by 6:00 to get to her house by 6:30. I wanted time to shower and change my clothes after a day in the lab, and I said it would be better if I just left from my house and met her at the restaurant at 7:00. When she asked if I wanted to move the reservation until later in the evening, I said no, not on a work night.
We did have a nice supper and some good conversation. I gifted her with a necklace, bracelet and earring set that I had made, beading having been one of my hobbies for about 13 years now. I know that she has some difficulty getting bracelets to fit her larger wrists, and I took that into account when making that item. The length was fine on both the bracelet and the necklace, and she seemed to really like them. She took off the jewelry she had been wearing and put on what I had given her.
I think I was right in my intuition not to meet up at her house. The suggestions for a night of wild lovemaking started as our evening neared its close. I deflected these suggestions and said that I was going to go home and get some sleep. It was a work night, after all!
Okay, why don’t I want to go to bed with this woman, a woman I had some very good sex with on two occasions during the first week of our relationship? It would be as easy as pie to say yes and enjoy the experience!
It’s because she is still in such a state of transition in her life. I need to have a certain level of trust in my partner in order to have a good sexual relationship with him/her. I need a fair degree of stability in that relationship. I don’t do “casual sex” well at all!
Not only is Randi Sue a year into her surgical transition, she is recently into a divorced status as well. Her spouse of 22 years wanted a divorce when Randi Sue decided to surgically transition, and the divorce was finalized just last month. There have been a lot of major changes in this person’s life!
During the three months that I’ve known her, she has reversed her position on “casual sex.” During the first couple of weeks of our relationship, she was firm in stating that she couldn’t have sex without being in love. This was worrisome to me since we had already had sex and she had announced on the second occasion that she thought she was falling in love with me. That was just too quick for me to wrap my head around and I drew back from it. A month later, she is talking about not wanting to get seriously involved with anyone — just wanting to hang loose for now — but that she didn’t want to give up sex. She was feeling in an “experimental” mode then and followed through on it by having sex with a man for the first time as a woman, even though she had told me that she really wasn’t interested in men; she liked women!
A few weeks ago, she wrote up a new profile under a different username on the dating site we belong to, this time called herself lesbian while still keeping the profile where she calls herself bisexual. This fragmentation is enough to make my head spin! She recently decided, however, to drop the lesbian profile and keep the bisexual profile, although your guess is as good as mine regarding where she stands with this orientation issue at the moment.
The bottom line is that she is still in a state of intense self-discovery and exploration, and she’s doing a lot of vacilating while she tries on these different emotions and roles. That’s common for the phase of life known as adolescence, and that’s quite what she’s in, even though she is almost as old as I am. I’ve teased her a bit about her being only a year old now. She said she thought it sounded better if she started at age 16 and aged from there. In effect, then, we celebrated her 17th birthday last night!
We hugged goodbye on the sidewalk by the restaurant and she went home in her car and I went home in my car. Later in bed, my husband away on a business trip, I confided to my Mia-Kitty, the Siamese who shares my bed every night, that Mom had had an offer to have hot sex with a woman but had come home to her Mia-Kitty instead. Mia gave me a head-butt, purred, and snuggled in with her mama, glad that I made the decision I did. I’m glad, too. It seems to be the path to follow in this particular relationship while a lot of changes are taking place in my trans friend’s life, the surgical transition a year ago just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
Over the weekend, my friend and brief lover, Randi Sue, a trans woman who has her first anniversary of her SRS coming up next month, confided in me that she was no longer a virgin in any sense of the word. “The bi pendulum continues to swing,” she said. She told me that it would cost me a dinner to get the details. She was kidding about me springing for dinner, but I did anyway, and we had supper together last evening at The Glockenspiel, a quaint German restaurant on the edge of downtown St. Paul.
I must admit that ever since she told me in that email that she had lost her “virginity” to a man recently, I’ve been concerned about it. I suspected that it was probably with this older “gentleman” she’s been corresponding with on the dating site we all three belong to. I read his profile and I know that he’s married. Now, keep in mind that this is the woman who told me six weeks ago that she didn’t think she could have a sexual relationship without being in love, which is why I’m not having sex with her. I’m not in love with her, and I don’t want to have someone emotionally involved with me on an entirely different level than I’m involved with them. It seems more ethical on my part to keep it platonic under those circumstances.
She shared some details with me last night for the price of dinner! Yes, it is the local man who is 21 years her senior that she had previously mentioned from the dating site. She said, “He’s married and fools around. He and his wife agreed years ago not to talk about it, so I don’t know what she knows and what she doesn’t. I didn’t press him for the details.”
The knot tightened up in my stomach that had been there for a few days, and I wanted to kick the guy in his aging (but apparently immature) nuts, but then I thought, well, maybe she was in it for the exploration with no strings attached, too, just as he probably was. I asked her how she was doing with the situation. I didn’t voice this concern to Randi Sue but inwardly I was very worried that he had just used her to satisfy some curiosity about sex with a trans woman, something I find simply unconscionable unless both partners know about that motive upfront and are willing to entertain it. The sexual use of another human being to satisfy a curiosity is a thought that makes me nauseated.
It actually was a huge relief to hear her say that she was using him as much as he was using her, that he seemed like a nice enough guy to lose her virginity to. He was ”experienced but not ‘grabby,’ not like a lot of guys would be.” She seems to know what the score is with his compulsion for “fooling around.” (Perhaps “fool” is the imperative root of that particular phrase — both as a noun and a verb!) He’s the kind of guy to have sex with — and apparently that part was pretty good because he reportedly didn’t leave her house until 3:30 in the morning! — but not the kind of guy to have a relationship with. Okay, well, if that’s what they’re both looking for (or will settle for), more power to them! At least, it’s a mutual “I use you and you use me” situation. Nominally, something to be said for the mutuality of that arrangement!
As Bob Seger said in one of my favorite songs, the 1976 hit, “Night Moves:”
I used her, she used me
But neither one cared
We were gettin our share
Workin on our night moves…
I refrained from going into my women’s health care nurse mode and asking her about safe sex practices with the fooling-around married man who is hanging out on dating sites. Who knows who or what he’s been sticking it to while his wife is out-of-town? Sometimes I just need to be a friend and not a health care professional, although it’s hard to separate the two. Now I’m feeling a bit guilty that I didn’t at least mention it rather than just letting it slide, but I hope that she is responsible enough and concerned enough about her own health and well-being to know that condom use is advisable with someone who is clandestinely fooling around on the side.
As for myself, I’d like a relationship as part of my sexual intimacy. I can pass on the fly-by-night stuff if a sexual tryst is all it’s going to be. But to each his (or her) own!
I got up this morning to this in my Gmail account from Randi Sue whom I haven’t seen face-to-face since the evening of May 1. (Keep in mind that I just met this woman on April 18!):
Dear Kinsey,
I feel like we are not finished. Whether we are friends or lovers or something else needs to be discussed. You are an important part of my life, if we never saw each other again (which I think is unlikely) you will still be my first. I am glad you will never understand that sex can be both good and bad, but it was just good with you.
I really think that a person, at least this person, can truly love many people. Why do I think this? Because I am a parent of two children. I do not love one child to the exclusion of the other. The love of my youngest child does not diminish the love of my oldest child.
If you feel that I am not giving you the space you need let me know. I know that I can be intense, but that is a strength as well as a weakness. Do not fear that I will ever want to hurt you.
I am putting the ball in your court. Let me know how you feel.
Seeking the truth in love,
Randi Sue
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I promptly replied, half-asleep this morning:
Randi Sue:
If a relationship as lovers is going to develop in a way that I am comfortable with — and that’s an “if,” — it needs time to do that. It doesn’t happen for me in a matter of hours or days. I need to feel comfortable with lovemaking and outward displays of affection as much as you do, and I’m not there with it. My needs are not driven by intense emotion right now. They’re driven more by logic and grounding and how relationships fit into my current lifestyle.
If you want to be friends, I think that is good. I think we enjoy each other’s company. I don’t want to feel pressured in any way to be your lover. I still actually think that your needs would be best fulfilled by a person who can give you her undivided devotion in a relationship rather than getting romantically involved with me who might see you once every other week.
So, that’s what I think in a very disjointed way this morning. I’m not fully awake and need to get out the door to work. I’m tired.
Take care,
Kinsey
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Dear Kinsey,
Thank you for getting back to me quickly, I do appreciate that. I am sorry I wasn’t very clear in my last letter. I agree with you that continuing as lovers is not what would be best for either of us. I want to be able to develop our friendship while honoring the physical, emotional, and romantic connection that we have shared. If sometime in the future the romantic and physical relationship develops I would not reject it, but I am not expecting it either.
I have felt like you have been trying to distance yourself from me. I don’t want to be a pest. I would like a friendship where either feels free to check in with the other, whenever. I am not very elegant or articulate in my writing, perhaps I am not in talking either, but I feel more comfortable in face to face conversation. I think that my last letter titled “Unfinished”, was an attempt to reach out and say I would like to talk with you, “if” you want to talk with me.
I hope you had a good weekend. Did you enjoy the Bi Brunch/Meeting? Did you do anything else interesting? I had a very full weekend, the MN Trans Health Fair on Friday and Saturday, and then Mothers Day with my mom.
Randi Sue
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Randi Sue,
“I have felt like you have been trying to distance yourself from me. I don’t want to be a pest. I would like a friendship where either feels free to check in with the other, whenever.”
We’re free to “check in” with each other at any time! As for myself, I’m not a telephone talker. I hate the telephone. Even when Dave is out-of-town, he seldom calls me on the phone just to “chat.” That’s why I turn my cell phone on once a month. I’m a writer and a journaler and an e-mailer, for the most part, and a face-to-face communicator when those occasions can be arranged.
I’d be happy to get together with you for an outing of some sort but not if the conversation is going to center on “where are we? What’s going on between us? Where is it going to go?” Could we go out and just enjoy what we’re doing and let a relationship go where it’s destined to go in a healthy way for now?
The Bi Brunch was fun. About a dozen people showed up. The meeting was productive. The food was good. I had a fellow BOP member from Woodbury go with me. I had met her at the one Chic Chat I went to. Interestingly enough, she is also a novice beader and wants to learn more about that so I invited her over to my house Wednesday evening. We’ll spread the beads out on the kitchen table, play around with them, and I’ll try to give her some tips on putting together some creations. Should be fun.
We celebrated Dave’s birthday at Trevina Restaurant in South St. Paul Saturday evening. It was a very enjoyable evening.
I lost two pounds during the five days that Dave was gone last week. After going out to eat Friday night, Saturday night, and having three servings of T’s enchilada casserole yesterday, I had put on a pound for the week! This has got to stop!
Dave wants to go up to Duluth/Two Harbors this next weekend, leaving on Friday after work and coming back on Sunday. If I can get the neighbors to cat-sit, we’ll go. Maybe he’ll get his fishing pole in the water, if the weather is nice.
Take care,
Kinsey
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My husband and I have had quite a few open discussions about transgenderism (is that a word?) lately due to my recent relationships with two more trans individuals. I’ve been thinking about why I have such a laid-back whatever attitude towards it when others struggle with this situation.
My first experience with a trans individual was with a woman who was in her late 30s at the time I met her, and I must have been about 22. I didn’t know that she was a trans individual at the time I met her. Perhaps she didn’t, either. It wasn’t discussed. I just knew that she was a “dyke,” a very nonfeminine lesbian, and she was very interested in having me as her lover. I succumbed to her pursuits and had sex with her a couple of times. On the second occasion, I actually got some of her clothes off and discovered that she was wearing men’s briefs underneath her jeans. I didn’t comment on it. In an intuitive way, I sort of understood what it was about and didn’t feel the need to mention it.
I drifted away from the church congregation that we were both members of, and I went for maybe a year without seeing her. I coincidentally showed up at church again after a long absence on the day of her commitment ceremony to Kate which followed the regular service. I knew nothing about this, nor did I realize all the changes that had taken place during that time I had been gone. During the commitment ceremony, Tara was called “David.” (No, I don’t use people’s real names in these posts.) At the reception in the church basement, I offered my congratulations to the couple, and Tara told me that her name was now legally “David.” S/he was on testosterone therapy and making the transition to living as a man. I was glad for her/him (okay, the pronouns are hard when you’ve known a person as one sex and then he/she switches it on you at some point!) and said so. It seemed like the way that “David” would be happiest, and I knew that.
It was during my relationship with Tara that I met Max. I was sitting next to Tara during a church service and the minister asked for prayers for Max who was in the hospital. I leaned over and asked Tara what Max was in the hospital for. “A hysterectomy,” she said.
“Oh,” I said. And nothing more needed to be said. That one surprised me because I had only known Max as Max and never even had an inkling that Max had female sex organs. He had already had his mastectomy before I met him. I became good friends with Max and visited him in the hospital when he underwent his first surgical procedure to construct a semblance of a penis and saw firsthand what cosmetic procedures were being attempted. I was a friend, and I was interested, and I accepted it for what it was.
There was a man named Kenny in our church congregation at this time as well. On the first Sunday after New Year’s, Kenny showed up to direct the choir as Victoria. He/she had made the public transition to start the new year. Again, I took this all in and quietly acknowledged the situation, having to say that Victoria looked a hell of a lot more attractive as Victoria than she did as Kenny!
A lot of years went by — 17 to be exact — while I was abstinent from sexual relationships with women and absent from publically hanging out with the GLBT community in any organized way. Then I started dating again. I had a three-year relationship with Maura. After we stopped seeing each other, the next person I dated was a MTF trans woman. She said she felt very comfortable with me. I learned a lot about “transition” from her: emotionally, psychologically, and physically.
I’ve known several other MTF trans women since then. They said as well that they felt comfortable with me. I was easy to talk to, easy to be with.
It’s just me being me. I have had a natural, easygoing attitude about sex since I started to learn about it as a pubescent child. I had a keen interest in sexual matters, not just from the usual childhood curiosity standpoint but from the medical and scientific standpoint as well. I was born too late to be one of Dr. Alfred Kinsey’s associates, but I well could have been if I had been a peer in his era! From finding the library copy of Dr. Kinsey’s Sexual Response in the Human Female in my room as a high school freshman to Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (But Were Afraid to Ask) on my nightstand as a sophomore and The Sensuous Man in my collection as a junior, I drove my parents nuts with my unabashed interest in human sexuality. My somewhat explicit journaling while still in high school turned my mother completely gray-haired and ashen-faced!
Nothing much shocks me. Nothing much surprises me in the realm of human sexuality. I’ve always believed that we in Western society have done ourselves more harm than good by the puritanical attitudes we’ve maintained over the centuries about our own sexuality. Yes, I believe in sexual ethics. I believe that sexual behavior should be shared in a loving manner, mindful of and responsible for the potential consequences of that behavior. However, those ethics don’t develop in a healthy way in the midst of inhibited attitudes and shame.
As a teenager, I became acquainted with and embraced my bisexuality, learning early in my life that there are more shades of gray in our sexuality than clear lines of demarcation. I know that I have many fluid, androgynous qualities. I move comfortably between my male traits and my female traits, embracing them all as a part of me. I don’t feel any discomfort about loving men and loving women. Even my male alter ego can love a man as well as a woman! It’s all just part of me and the full spectrum of feelings and desires that I’m able to experience.
Do I understand gender dysphoria, the feeling of being the other gender while carrying the chromosomes and primary sexual characteristics of the genetic sex? No, I don’t. I’ve never stood in those shoes. I’ve got XX chromosomes and sex organs and have always felt comfortable with my identity as a woman. I don’t know what causes gender dysphoria in some individuals. I’d like to know more about it, but I’m not sure that science has the answer to that situation so I haven’t done any review of the literature on it. I may at some point just to see what I can glean from it, but I’m anticipating that it’ll be a hodge-podge and mishmash of stuff, perhaps much of it contradictory and all of it inconclusive.
What I’ve done is accept. I don’t understand and comprehend gender dysphoria in a personal sense. I don’t think I really can from my perspective. I accept that it exists. I accept that gender reassignment is the solution for some people in this situation. I accept that their basic needs are the same as everyone else’s.
That’s what I understand.
I’m trying to develop a social network within the bisexual community here in the Twin Cities. I’m trying to do my part towards supporting a sense of community for the bisexual population within the GLBT community. I believe in this cause. It’s been sorely lacking in my own life, and I would imagine that many people who identify as bisexual feel the same sense of aloneness and isolation in their lives.
The only group I’ve connected with so far here in the Twin Cities that seems to have any merit in this regard is the Bisexual Organizing Project, and they have a grand total of 240 members, a handful of which participate in any social events! That seems like a very low number considering the rather substantial bisexual population that must surely exist here in a large, liberal metropolitan area. However, it is what it is. (Organizing bisexuals is a lot like herding cats, a whole line of thinking reserved for another post!)
The monthly “bi brunch” is being held this Sunday at a member’s home northwest of Minneapolis, followed by the every-other-month board meeting. I’ve vaciliated about attending. I’ve been tending more towards going rather than not going since finding out through the Yahoo Group postings that Millie is otherwise occupied on Mother’s Day!
I extended an offer to Anne to ride with me to the brunch and meeting on Sunday, aware that she currently does not have a car and relies mostly on public transit. I’m not going to let that relationship of two “dates” duration deter me from getting involved with the group. I have absolutely no ill feelings towards Anne. I wanted to be her friend.
My husband has no ill feelings towards me being friends with Anne. He stated that he had some trouble wrapping his head around my potential sexual involvement with trans women, and he further went on to later refine this discomfort to say that he has trouble with the concept of me getting sexually involved with pre-surgical trans women. I understand this feeling, even though I don’t share his same level of discomfort. I respect his feelings, especially since they were stated in a very appropriate personal ownership of these feelings without any demands, ultimatums, slams or insults in any way associated with his sharing of these feelings.
We’ve talked quite a lot about this whole situation in recent days, and I’m impressed with the level of honesty, open communication, and non-defensive sharing that has gone on. I’ve acknowledged his feelings. He’s acknowledged mine, and we’re learning from each other. Saturday night, I did draw my line in the sand, which was this: “I understand your feelings about my potential sexual relationships with trans women, particularly pre-surgical trans women, but I expect that they’ll always be welcomed warmly as friends in our home and treated no differently than anyone else in that regard.”
He was firm in his agreement of that position. “Absolutely!” he stated. “Of course!”
Of course, I never expected that there would be any problem with that aspect of my relationships. He’s a good man, not a bigot, not a “red neck,” not narrow-minded and rigid in his beliefs. He’s trying to wrap his head around a complex set of issues, a set of issues that his own personal experiences have not covered in his life, and I respect him for the effort he puts into expanding his insights.
Anne, however, appeared to reject my offer of friendship. The feeling I got was that if she can’t have me as a lover, then she doesn’t want my company.
So be it. You can’t have everyone as your lover. Some people are platonic friends, and that is well and good.
The Bisexual Organizing Project with its 240 members appears to be its own little ”Peyton Place,” with members having romantic and sexual partnerships with each other. That seems to be a complicating factor in its dynamics. Probably even interferes with its smooth operation at times, depending on who is sleeping with whom and who isn’t anymore, etc.! I really would like to keep those complications to a minimum if I’m going to get more involved with this group!
Anne turned me down for the ride to the Brunch and Board Meeting on Sunday. I told her to let me know if she changes her mind, that her contribution and input to the group is welcomed and appreciated.
I want to support this community, not do things to cause conflict and ill will. Let’s pray I succeed.
Randi Sue was over to our house this past Thursday evening and met Dave. We then went out to a local family restaurant and had a bite to eat, just the two of us. I wanted to tell her about my feelings regarding our relationship, that my feelings in no way matched the intensity of her feelings, given the less than two weeks we had known each other, and that I was deeply concerned that her intensity and impulsivity was going to steer her down a path best not taken with me. I am never going to be her “one-and-only,” and I don’t want to deter her from seeking that in a partner. The truth is that I’m not focused on finding a “steady girlfriend” right now and being her exclusive partner. I need a social support system in the bisexual community, not a lot of romantic entanglements to potentially hamper that process. (As it is, I didn’t go to the monthly Bisexual Organizing Project’s girls-night Chic Chat last night because I was concerned I’d end up in an awkward situation with either Anne, Millie, or both!)
I couldn’t say all those painfully truthful things, though. She is so emotionally needy that I just couldn’t get the blunt words out. I told her that I’m concerned about the “in love” aspect of her feelings and overwhelmed by it, but I couldn’t go into hard, cold honesty that it’s freaking me out and I don’t want to be in that situation with her. It’s an imbalanced dynamic between the two of us, and that’s not good for either one of us.
Friday morning, I took about 60% of the middle section of that previous post titled “In Love…or Not” and posted it to my journal on the dating site through which we met. She looks at my profile a couple of times a day. Why, I don’t know, but she does, and I knew that she’d see the condensed version of my WordPress post there. Later that day, I got the following email from her:
On 5/2/08, Randi Sue wrote:
Dear Kinsey,
I am not sorry that I shared my feelings with you. I am sorry that we don’t share those feelings, but whatever will be will be. I am an intensely emotional being. I need to learn to protect myself from being hurt and still love freely. I hope I can find a balance.
I wish we had more time to talk yesterday. I am glad I can talk with you.
I would like to continue our friendship. I like talking to you, I care about you. I don’t think that I can have a sexual relationship without being in love. I need and deserve love in my life.
Always,
Randi
And I responded with:
From: Kinsey
Date: May 2, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Love
To: Randi
Yes, Randi, you need and deserve love, as much of it as you can get. And if you need to be in love to have a sexual relationship, then that is what you should do. That is why I’m pulling back from having that sexual relationship with you. I don’t share that same level of intensity right now and may never. I haven’t had enough time to tell if that’s where it could lead, given my own personal emotional composition and needs in life.
You need to find the person(s) who can feel as deeply as you do and who are free to get as involved as deeply as you would like to. It needs to be a reciprocal relationship in order to give you the satisfaction, pleasure and fulfillment you need. You deserve that, and I’d love to see you find it!
I would like for us to be friends, too. I enjoy talking with you and doing things with you. I care about you, too, and want what’s best in the long run.
Take care,
Kinsey
I think the romantic, sexual relationship with her is over now, and frankly, I’m relieved. I felt way in over my head on this one, and that’s not a comfortable feeling at all!
And my husband once more reminded me to keep my pants on until it’s a little clearer what and who I’m getting involved with. He said with a smirk that some tendencies just seem to be hardwired into my chromosomes, but I really should try to practice some restraint before getting into these sexual situations too early in a relationship!
I agreed with him.
Enough said.
Yesterday evening, as we were relaxing after just finishing our evening meal, Dave said to me, “I read your WordPress blog this afternoon.”
“You read the latest entry I wrote this afternoon?” I asked.
“Uh-huh,” he confirmed.
I had not as yet given him the details of what all has happened this week between Randi Sue and me. In part, I’ve been a bit embarrassed that I have found myself in this situation again. It happens from time to time, and as I said in a previous blog, my vow was not to rush into sexual relationships with people, which I have had a tendency to do. Dave was given instructions to remind me of that if I ever called home on a first or second date again and said that I wasn’t coming home that night (barring being too drunk to drive — also not a good thing!)
Well, he wasn’t around to remind me of that last Wednesday evening nor last Friday night. Not that withholding a sexual encounter would necessarily keep a person from “falling in love” with me. That can happen in the absence of sex, as I well know from my own experience.
Nonetheless, I hadn’t rushed into telling him every detail of this past week with Randi Sue. He knew enough by the time he had finished reading my previous post. As (almost) always, he was understanding, sympathetic, supportive, and we had a good talk last night. I unburdened my soul to him, a process that always makes me feel better and less alone.
We talked quite a bit about this phenomenon known as “being in love,” and I told him who was on my Short List. Him, of course. (He was relieved to hear that!) I did recall aloud last night that we had only known each other about six weeks and had been dating for a month when those three little words were mutually spoken to each other 37 years ago. Not a lengthy period of time to know each other before saying, “I love you!” However, when I said those words to him for the first time, there was no hesitancy about saying those words. I meant it from the bottom of my heart. I knew them to be true and right. There was never any question about it, no second thoughts. There never has been with him.
I don’t fall in love easily. I’m pretty reserved about that emotion, if one actually does have control over that emotion. I’ve been in love six times for sure. Four of those times were with men: my boyfriend from my teens, Henry, then Dave, and two Johns. John #1 was the brother of a good friend of mine in high school, and he and I began a relationship while I was around their house a lot during the six months I was involved in the engagement festivities of his older sister. I was one of her bridesmaids in her 1974 wedding. Maggie got married and moved off to Columbus, Ohio, and her brother, a young man who was then struggling with his gay sexual orientation, and I continued our relationship. That relationship went on for another three years, although it was by and large an intellectual and long-distance relationship. I haven’t seen him since 1977, but I still think about him and hope all is well.
John #2 was a Family Practice physician I worked with in 1977. We kept in touch after I left that clinic’s employ. He was a married man 11 years older than me with four kids. On the night we made love for the first time, I was 24 and he was 35. I was in love with him until the summer of 1985, even though I only saw him less than a handful of times during those years. I went from loving him intensely and deeply to feeling literally nothing for the man when I found out what all came out as his divorce proceedings at that time: he had been physically abusing his wife. There were times when his wife would end up at the E.R. after John had dragged her around by her hair and blackened her eye. Stuff like that. I felt sick, and that was that. It was over, and I shuddered to think that I wasted my love on the man, that I was ever alone with him.
Then there were two outwardly platonic friendships with high school friends that never played out in any sexual and/or romantic sense, but I was in love with both of those young women: Lorrie, a neighbor girl, whom I had known since she was 11 years old and stayed in touch with until she was 25, and then Marie, a high school classmate of mine. (Marie died when she was 40-years-old of some kind of cancer. I was heartbroken when I read that obituary in 1995.) I loved those two women, but it was unrequited love.
Yes, there have been some relationships other than those which qualified for “in love” status that have caused their share of emotional pleasure and pain, and have been deep and meaningful relationships in their own right. I’ve loved individuals without feeling that intense emotion I associate as “being in love.”
I took note of the fact that all of these “in love” relationship began much earlier in my life, in my teens and early 20s. Does age and/or hormone levels affect this phenomenon? I would speculate that it does. It is a powerful drive to pair off with a mate and want to express that desire sexually. I think that age, experience, multiple time and energy commitments such as career and family, and decreasing hormone levels makes the “in love” phenomenon less common in older individuals — older individuals such as myself!
And this led to a discussion last night about whether trans individuals who have just recently made the full transition to living physically as the gender they self-identify as being are more susceptible to this “in love” phenomenon due to the newness of their lives, the novelty, the inexperience, and the effect of recently-initiated levels of sex hormones on the brain and other organs. I’ve had two experiences lately of middle-aged (late 40s to late 50s) trans women being “in love” on the basis of a first date and another such experience that occurred 18 months ago!
I don’t know if there will ever be more people to add to my Short List of individuals whom I have been in love with. That may or may not happen. We’ll see.
In my previous post, Transcending Trans, I published a letter that I sent six days ago to not one but two trans women in my life.
Anne (not her real name) was the woman who had contacted me via a dating site, and I wrote about that contact and meeting in the post, Caffeine Hangover. Even before we met that first evening to go to the Bisexual Organizing Project’s women’s-only evening at Wilde Roast Cafe called Chic Chat, she had sent me a brief email that said, “This makes me really glad that you are willing to go to Chic Chat with me. Don’t give up on BOP just because of Millie. You know, the irony of our situation has not escaped me. You and I first met on a dating service when you had given up on dating services, and I was the one who made that original posting for the BECAUSE conference you found. And yes, when Lynn was talking about who had helped make the conference possible, my name was in the list. Please, take it as a sign that I was fated to be here for you…”
I responded to that email by saying that I had taken it as a sign, and I had. Fate had given me a second chance to get involved in the bisexual community here in the Twin Cities. Fate had snagged me by the back of the jacket as I was running from Millie again and all those attendant emotions and said, “Hey, come back here! Here is a supportive friend who is willing to go with you and introduce you to some people. Go!” I had not gone down the path, though, of thinking that this woman was slated to be a romantic partner because of the means of our introduction and some common events in our background. I approached it from the standpoint of making a friend and building some connections, an important thing in and of itself.
She said nothing in her profile on the dating site that suggested her status as a trans woman, and that’s okay. However, my experience with that situation in the past was that individuals have been upfront about these circumstances, even if it’s in a rather oblique, subtle way at first, not wanting to surprise or discomfit their dates in any way. It just puts that set of circumstances out there right away and prevents any misunderstanding or embarrassment later should this be an unsettling situation for the date. I figured it out on my own in three seconds when I picked her up at her house that Saturday evening, visually took in her stature and bone structure and the male timbre of her voice. I knew what her basic circumstances were without knowing any of the specific details.
We had a pleasant-enough evening going to Chic Chat that Saturday, but I was relieved that it wasn’t a one-on-one date. She was difficult to engage socially. She had split with her spouse of close to thirty years within recent months and was seriously depressed. It was readily apparent that there were many stressors in her life, and she was just hanging on day to day emotionally. And then there was her status in an “extended, polyamorous family,” a situation I approach with a great deal of reservation as a potential participant until I know the details of that configuration. My conclusion by the end of that evening due to multiple factors in her life was that this was a person I had no interest in getting romantically involved with. I was interested in being her friend.
However, that Saturday night, I had no sooner dropped her off at her house and returned home when I had an email waiting for me that said what a nice evening she had had and she wondered if she should have kissed me goodnight or invited me in. I replied, no, I was in no hurry to take things in that direction. I was interested in developing a friendship.
In that spirit, and knowing that she was depressed, bereft, and struggling, I had suggested during that evening that we make some plans to go out for an Indian meal, something I knew she’d enjoy. We went out for this meal at Taste of India, a restaurant that I love to visit for its wonderful cuisine. We had a nice evening. We talked about many things over supper: her life, my life, all kinds of things. She actually seemed more at ease with me on that one-on-one level, and after a two-hour dinner, I left feeling the bonds of a friendship. I also found out that evening that she was in the process of putting together the details for her surgical transition that had yet to happen, and I wanted to be there as a source of support and friendship as she entered that phase of her life. We shared a quick goodnight peck on the lips in the car when I dropped her off.
The next morning, I had both a brief email, thanking me for a wonderful evening and stating that she wanted to see me again soon, and a link to a web page depicting a medevial, romantic scene. The verse on the card was:
Can you imagine my surprise
When I looked into your eyes
Because after all
It was just a meeting of the lips,
Not so very much at all.
A soft caress, a fleeting touch,
Just a whisper of a kiss.
But it set my blood afire,
Singed my soul with desire.
She added the message, “What is in a first kiss? Hope and longing for what may come.”
Okay, well, I knew we were on two different paths with this thing at that point and I was mildly freaked, although I am generally such a calm, together person that I don’t display too much outward emotional demonstration when I am only “mildly freaked!” I spent a lot of time that Sunday talking to my spouse at various times throughout the day about my recent social developments.
There were even some musings during that day with him as to what it would be like to be married to a person for many years, then to find out somewhere down the road that the partner is transgendered and wants to transition to living as the other sex, complete with the surgical reassignment. That’s a nearly impossible situation for a straight spouse to adjust to. I went on to say, however, that I, as a bisexual woman with a fully-developed sexual appreciation for both sexes, could probably make that adjustment, given that the relationship had many other redeeming qualities. I could emotionally and sexually transition along with the partner, and even continue with a sexual relationship while my partner was in various stages of the transition, including living outwardly as a woman while still having the genitalia of a man.
I think at this point, my husband was mildly freaked. He didn’t say anything during the course of the day, but that Sunday night, under the influence of a bottle of wine, he said what he did, that he was uncomfortable with my relationships with trans women. As I mentioned in the letter I wrote to Anne, he didn’t elaborate further, and I didn’t press that night, just kind of quietly digesting that disconcerting bit of sharing and wondering what to do with it from there.
Anne’s response was, “I understand, Kinsey. You have your primary relationship to worry about. I hope you and Dave are able to work through any issues you have. I have to confess that I cried a little, but I expect I will heal. I only wish that what I am didn’t keep having to be an obstacle to people. I want nothing but the best for you. I will miss you.”
So, no consideration of my offer of friendship there. I get the impression that she wanted a romantic relationship with me or nothing at all. I’m undecided as to whether I should try to clarify the situation with her and again extend that friendship or write this one off as two people who are clearly on different pages. (Any thoughts, Readers?)
Dave read the letters I had sent to both Anne and Randi Sue, and he read Anne’s response. He initiated a conversation about this on Tuesday morning this week and clarified that he did not mean his statement about his discomfort with my relationships with trans women as an across-the-board, blanket statement. He said that he meant it with regard to the situation of me having a sexual relationship with a pre-op trans woman, that he was having trouble getting his head around that. He didn’t mean it in a general way that he was uncomfortable with my transgendered friends or even that he would be necessarily uncomfortable with a sexual relationship between me and a trans woman who had been through the surgical reassignment. He just couldn’t wrap his head around the situation of me being sexually involved with a person who physically was still in an incomplete state of transition.
“That wasn’t specifically what you said Sunday night!” I pointed out.
“No, that wasn’t what I said,” he countered. “Consider the state I was in by the time I said what I said!”
Over the course of the next day or so, I thought about who my husband is a person, what has gone into shaping him into who he is. He is a soon-to-be 58-year-old man who was born and raised in a town in northern Minnesota. Although it is an ethnically-diverse region, those cultures are of the European variety, and he did not grow up with any contact with racial diversity. He didn’t know his first African American person until he moved to Ohio when he was 20-years-old. He did not have any contact with sexual orientation diversity as a child or young man. Sex wasn’t even something that was talked about in his conservative and inhibited household. He may have had some acquaintance with a couple of gay men during his college days on the Iron Range, particularly during his involvement with the Theatre Arts folks at the community college (yes, I’m being stereotypical here, but there is some truth in the stereotypes, I’ve observed!), but nothing on a personal basis. I’m sure that I’m the first woman he had ever known who loves being sexually with women, and lo and behold, he found himself engaged to her!
Having a bisexual woman as his best friend, lover, and wife since his early 20s has been a culturally “enlightening” experience for the heterosexual guy from northern Minnesota! He has been a very open and accepting individual to the range of orientation and gender diversity that I’ve introduced him to as part of my own orientation and involvement with the LGBT community. He has embraced his expanded horizons and has been a loving partner to me and a welcoming individual to my friends and lovers over the years.
He ran up against a “sticking point” last weekend with the idea of me getting sexually involved with a pre-surgical trans woman. He even said that it was his problem, a potential growth experience for him, and at no time did he deliver any ultimatums or demands regarding my behavior. I chose to respect those feelings, even in their rather incomplete description initially, and shared with my trans acquaintances what was going on here.
I publically give the man a hell of a lot of credit for all that he is and all the acceptance, kindness, and openness he has given to me and to my many LGBT friends over the years. He is a remarkable man, still growing, still learning, and I love and appreciate him for it. He has grown in many ways that so many people wouldn’t even consider!
Anne has apparently written me off as a friend, and I’m sorry for that. I’m also sorry for any pain my husband’s words of that Sunday night caused her. I can appreciate her feelings in the matter.,
Randi Sue (not her real name), on the other hand, a woman I met face-to-face for the first time nine days ago, said that she’d rather have me as a friend than not at all, a response that seemed a bit more appropriate to the circumstances.
To be continued…..

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